General Petraus telling the truth, now that he is the "outgoing" commander.

[teamfalcon]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7610405.stm

"He said he did not know that he would ever use the word "victory": "This is not the sort of struggle where you take a hill, plant the flag and go home to a victory parade... it's not war with a simple slogan."

[lemon_fresh]

umm . . . tell us something we did not know . . .

everyone knows that this is not a conventional war. We won the war when we took Baghdad.

What is screwing us is political correctness and policing the state.

[teamfalcon]

Simple slogan?

"Mission Accomplished"
"Fight them there, so we don't have to fight them over here"
"When they stand up, we will stand down"
"We don't want to 'cut and run'"
"The Democrats want to 'legislate defeat'"

Any other ones you can think of?

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[lemon_fresh]

"Mission Accomplished" - It was
"Fight them there, so we don't have to fight them over here" - This is truth
"When they stand up, we will stand down" - ?? Never heard that one and I don't get it.
"We don't want to 'cut and run'" - Once again, it is the truth
"The Democrats want to 'legislate defeat' - Look up the voting records . . . truth

Your point?

It is the same as the liberal media putting headlines on everything . . .

[teamfalcon]

"Mission Accomplished" - It was
"Fight them there, so we don't have to fight them over here" - This is truth
"When they stand up, we will stand down" - ?? Never heard that one and I don't get it.
"We don't want to 'cut and run'" - Once again, it is the truth
"The Democrats want to 'legislate defeat' - Look up the voting records . . . truth

Your point?

It is the same as the liberal media putting headlines on everything . . .

I guess you like those simple slogans.

[lemon_fresh]

I am neither for them ofr against them . . . they do nothing for me either way . . .


But to pick on that like it actually does something is kind of sad and shows that someone is grasping at straws

[teamfalcon]

Grasping at straws? Me or the General?

[lemon_fresh]

libs in general . . .

They called him Gen Betrayus when he was first assigned . . . now they embrace his comments?

lol

[bugman75]

High-ranking military officials are just as bad (or worse) than the politicians who put them there

[guero]

libs in general . . .

They called him Gen Betrayus when he was first assigned . . . now they embrace his comments?

lol
I guess Success and Liberalism don’t mix.

[teamfalcon]

libs in general . . .

They called him Gen Betrayus when he was first assigned . . . now they embrace his comments?

lol

That's right.

[teamfalcon]

I guess Success and Liberalism don’t mix.

Another 'simple slogan'. You guys are getting good, practice makes perfect!

[WanttocleanLFballs]

was iraq going to attack us? did i miss something?

[guero]

Another 'simple slogan'. You guys are getting good, practice makes perfect!

Typical Liberal Arguing Techniques
1: Switch Your Arguments - If you feel that your are beginning to lose an argument, change it. Switch sides altogether if you have to. For instance, if you are arguing that there are no biological or chemical weapons in Iraq, and your opponent quotes one of the many UN reports that state there definitely were banned weapons there, suddenly change your argument to "of course, there were, the US gave them to Saddam".
2: Raise The Bar - When your opponent presents you with proof of anything -- UN records of WMD stockpiles, Amnesty International records of humanitarian crimes, eyewitness accounts of rape, torture, murder, etc -- state that it's not enough to convince you. Tell your opponent that his so- called "proof" doesn't mean anything at all. Insist that anything from only one source doesn't count. Force him or her to go back and search for more proof... and more, and still more.
3: Attack The Source - When your opponent presents you with those pesky facts, there's only one way to beat him -- attack the source. Refuse to give credence to anything reported by the Weekly Standard, or NewsMax, even if your opponent's facts come from another source as well. Any news outlet even slightly to the right of the New York Times, the LA Times, CBS, ABC, NPR and Time is immediately suspect. Put down FOX news channel (FAUX news)and anyone that refers to it -- ignore the fact that they have reported the same stories as every other network.

[WanttocleanLFballs]

everyone uses those, not just liberals......you use them when you don't know what the hell is going on, or if the debate is going away from what you know.....

[son of corb]

It wasn't publicized much but about 3 months ago the Pentagon announced the completion of the removal of 300 tons of yellow cake uranium from Iraq. I have just a little experience in the military but I this could not have been announced to the world. Announcing what you've found in victory is also an invitation to those that want to harm us. And, yes, we are winning in our military efforts over there. Our young men and women volunteered and are committed to these efforts.

[bugman75]

It wasn't publicized much but about 3 months ago the Pentagon announced the completion of the removal of 300 tons of yellow cake uranium from Iraq. I have just a little experience in the military but I this could not have been announced to the world. Announcing what you've found in victory is also an invitation to those that want to harm us. And, yes, we are winning in our military efforts over there. Our young men and women volunteered and are committed to these efforts.


It's how we say in Donna, "No te puedo decir todo".